Jonathan Welcome to the first ever Anglotopia podcast. Jackie Yes, a long time coming, but much needed. Jonathan This is an experiment. We're going to do a few podcasts and see how this works and see if people want to listen to us babble on about various British topics. Jackie Sure, we have a lot to say on the topic. Jonathan Our first podcasts, and probably the first couple, will be primarily about our trip driving from Lanzin to John O'Rourke that we took back in September. We have a lot to talk about with regards to that. Jackie We might pepper in a Christmas podcast. Jonathan Yeah, like I said, this is an experiment. We're trying to get our feel for doing a podcast. This is not something we've done before. Jackie For those of you who don't know us, I'm Jackie Thomas. I'm one of the co-founders of Anglotopia. Jonathan I'm Jonathan Thomas, the other founder of Angletopia. Most people who are listening to this probably know us, but for those who don't, Angletopia was founded in 2007 in a closet in Chicago. Jackie Literally a closet in Chicago, you're not kidding. Jonathan And ever since, we've been covering all things British, and it's been our full-time job since 2011. And this is sort of the natural progression of where we need to be going, because everyone's doing a podcast now. Jackie So we might as well do it as well. Well, and we want to go along with everybody, you know, on your commute or if you're on the treadmill. You know, you can do it. Listen to us. Jonathan So hopefully you don't mind the sound of my voice. Jackie Yeah. So why don't we dig right in and just kind of talk about, we call it the Le Jog, which was our trip in September. Jonathan Yeah, it's the, it sounds vaguely French, but that's the accepted abbreviation for Land's End and John O'Groats. And what that entails is anybody who goes from Land's End and Cornwall, which is the southern and westernmost point in Britain, all the way through Britain to the north to John O'Groats, which is the northernmost point you can get to by road. A lot of people will drive it. A lot of people will cycle it. And quite a few people will run it. And some people will walk it. Yeah. Those things take varying amounts of time. It's just under 1,000 miles by road. Jackie Those are 1,000 British miles. Jonathan Yeah, 1,000 British miles. We'll talk about that. Jackie Well, I guess we could. I mean we have this running joke in the Inglotopia office a mile is a mile anywhere you walk or Drive or it you know, however you want to measure it But for some reason to us Americans it seems like one mile actually equals about what three four It takes you a lot longer to get wherever you want to go to in Britain, which is not necessarily a bad thing But it's definitely something to consider when you're going to be traveling distances Jonathan exactly and even on top gear you can do the drive in a day that would be grueling uh i mean it's like driving from chicago to atlanta in a day i mean you can do it it's fine but having done the drive we would not recommend doing that because you would literally see nothing um most people who walk it take like three months um or more some people will do it for charity they'll raise money I believe the cycling route takes two to three weeks. But we decided to drive it because we had limited time and we're also not insane. Jackie No disrespect to those who do it for charity, who walk or cycle. Jonathan Anybody who does it, walking or cycling, I doff my cap to you because it's an amazing achievement because even the drive is grueling. Jackie Yeah, actually it is. And, and I think that that's, you know, not again, not to kind of toot our own horn here as Americans. I mean, we've both seen big parts of America by car and done car trips and that kind of thing. And I will say that even in July, I drove Chicago to L.A. over a couple of days. And Land's End to John O'Groats was way more strenuous, grueling. It was a lot harder. So now... of kind of the planning that went into it and why we chose to go Land's End to Johnnick Rhodes instead of the other way around you know you can I guess you can Jonathan do it either way well the big question was how did the trip come about because we planned it for over a year that's a lot of planning too yeah we back in the long days of summer 2017 um a a couple in britain named jeff marshall and vicky pipe they did a youtube series where they wrote they rode the trains of britain and visited every train station in britain called all the stations and we'll link to all this stuff in the show notes when we published this. Jonathan And I just, I love the videos. Jonathan Vicki and Jeff are great hosts and I love watching their adventure. And as I was watching their adventure, I got quite jealous about it. I'm like, you know, it's pretty insane to try. I think it's 2,560, 70-some train stations. And they did it in three months nonstop. And it's one of those very British challenges that people like to do. Jackie Now we sound like wusses because we couldn't do a thousand miles in a car. Jonathan But they, you know, so I was inspired by this. And I was like, well, I want to go on. They did a video halfway through where they wanted to bring the viewers into the experience. Where they wanted, they set a date and said that, okay, everybody, on this day, you have to plan your own adventure. And tweet us about it and post about it on social media. And then we'll gather it all together. And I thought, like, obviously we couldn't do that because we were over here. But I was like, well, I really want to do a grand adventure. What should we do? And I got to thinking about it. And I'm like, well, I don't want to go to all the train stations in Britain. I think Jackie would murder me if we attempted to do something like that. Jackie Yeah, I'm not that much of a train enthusiast. Jonathan Yeah, I like trains a lot more than she does. Jackie No disrespect to those who are. Jonathan And I was like, well, there's so much of Britain that we haven't seen. And I love to drive there. Driving in Britain is like my Anglophiles in Happy Place. I love driving around Britain and discovering new things. And I thought, okay, is there a drive we could do? And then we sell a map on our Anglotopia import store called the Great British Adventure Map. And those on the camera can see it. Those who are listening can't see it. But we'll link to it in the show notes. And they have various routes lined out on the map that you can take, various driving routes. And one of them is lands in the John of Groves. And I was looking at it and I was like, we could do that. Jackie Yeah, we could totally do that. Jonathan And it would take in Cornwall and Devon and the Midlands and Northern England. Lots of places that we actually haven't been yet. Jackie And places that actually, unless you go by a car, are not super easy to get to. Jonathan Exactly. And we'll talk about that when we talk about the Cornwall section. Jackie Yeah. Jonathan So, and the big thing is it would take us to Scotland, which in 15 years of travel to Britain, we haven't been to Scotland yet. And it's high time we visited Scotland. Jackie Well, and I think it weighed heavy on both of us that there was a whole section of Great Britain that we haven't, we haven't even dipped our toes in. It was definitely beyond, beyond time to do it. Jonathan So we sat down and I'm like, okay, Jackie, do you want to drive from one end of Britain to the other? And she was like, sure. Jonathan Yeah, let's go. Let's go. Jonathan And then before we move on, Vicki and Jeff wrote a book, which we'll link to in the show notes. It's called The Railway Adventures, and they talk about their whole journey. It's highly recommended. It's very good reading. Hopefully it'll inspire you to take your own journey. So then we had to decide. Jackie Kind of when. Jonathan When we wanted to do it. We had a couple of things that limited when we could go. Jackie Family life. Jonathan Family obligations. Jackie We have school-aged children now. Jonathan Yeah, we have school-aged children. And we didn't want to do it in the winter, which is when we spend a lot of time in Britain in the winter for various reasons, mostly because it's cheaper to go and the tourist attractions are not as crowded. It's a lot quieter, and that's kind of the way we prefer it. This isn't a drive you want to do in the winter. Jackie No, we were thinking like northern Scotland in January. Jonathan Yeah. Jackie We might get stuck in northern Scotland. Jonathan Exactly. Jackie Which wouldn't be a horrible thing. I mean, I could be stuck. Jonathan You would be fine in southern England, in the Midlands mostly, but if you're going to Scotland, it's like going to Michigan in the winter. It's cold. Jackie It's cold and it's snowy. Jonathan And it snows. Jackie And the weather can be really volatile. Jonathan Yeah. So we didn't want to do it in the winter. Jackie Summer was out. Too many tourists. Too many tourists. Jonathan And it's too hot. And we just, we like to avoid Britain in the summer for various reasons. So then we kind of settled on September. Jackie yeah it's fall it's the end of tourist yeah home life it works really well yeah Jonathan it works for us at the school schedule and we could block off a couple weeks and we would be able to to do the whole journey and the weather would be generally fair we hoped spoiler it was alright it was colder than we planned Jackie we'll talk about that later well actually there were two massive massive storms while we were there that we just we happened to miss them i mean it was just it was crazy like the second storm that was it our aria or something it was the storm that started with an a and it swept across northern england and scotland to the point where they had to close motorways Jonathan and we drove through the rain of it but we're getting ahead of ourselves we are but i will say Jackie though that when we did make it up to scotland we even saw i mean the damage that was done days later still so but that being said don't let september yeah it's a great time of year to do that yeah i Jonathan mean if if we were playing it again i would do it in the spring or in the fall those would i'd still Jackie do it in i'd still do it in the fall um yeah the colors are really pretty it's it's not hot like so Jonathan But it's not cold either. It's just slightly chilly. Jackie It's damp. It's a wet cold. Very English cold. Jonathan Before we move on to planning, though, how about we have a cup of tea? Jackie Okay. Jonathan For those who aren't watching, we are pouring some tea. Jackie We made a pot. So, having a pot of tea with friends here. Jonathan It's Miles West Country Blend. Jackie It's one of our most favorites. Um, so let's just kind of dive into, um, to Cornwall. I mean, I guess we could talk about the car. Jonathan We skipped the planning. Jackie Oh, you want to talk about planning? Jonathan Yeah, we're going to talk about planning first. Okay. Jackie So we're going to move back and we're going to talk about planning a little bit. Um. Do you want sugar? No sugar in my tea. Ever. Never. Jonathan Never. Jonathan It's going to be sweet. Jackie I know. Call the midwife would approve, right? Jenny Lee says a good, strong, sweet cup of tea. Jonathan Can't do it can't do the sweet tea there are biscuits I don't know if we're gonna eat on camera no nobody wants to listen to us Jackie lunch on digestives So um, but planning like how do you even begin to plan a route like this? And I mean it's a thousand miles which and not only is it a thousand miles, but it's a thousand british miles Jonathan Well, and it's a thousand miles with dozens of beautiful places. You're gonna want to stop at and see How do you decide what to see so? Jackie If I can jump in, I think that we really kind of, at first we just started with, we really wanted to look at the feasibility of what could be done in a day. Keeping in mind, as we say, American miles versus British miles. We knew that although geographically it might be only 200 miles between point A to point B, where here in the U.S. it would maybe take three or four hours to do that distance. In Britain, we knew it was going to take us a lot longer. So we set out to do, you know, maybe driving three or four hours and then using the rest of the day to see sites. Jonathan Yeah, roughly we would pick something that we would do in the morning and pick something we would do in the afternoon. And then the driving in between those places and then in between that and our hotel in the evening. Sometimes we visited a couple more places. Sometimes we didn't. It just depended on how we were feeling and where we came in. we should start probably with how we decided the route because there's more than one way to do this. The map, we were talking about the Great British Adventure map they have a great route which you can use for any mode of transport you want to use this for but we didn't follow that route for driving completely. We diverted from it. We followed it in Cornwall and Devon and into the Midlands but then And their route takes you through the Lake District. And I had spent some time in the Lake District earlier in the year. So we wanted to spend the time somewhere I hadn't been already. So we decided to jog east and go through Yorkshire and Durham and come up through Scotland that way, which is deviates from the route. And then we went to Edinburgh and then we kind of followed the traditional route back up to John O'Groats. So I recommend getting a good map. Jackie That's a must. Jonathan Yeah, of the whole country. I don't want to toot our own horn here, but you could buy our map, which was a great start. But this map is a great start for ideas and an overview. But as far as playing actual roads, it's not a great map for that because it's more focused on things to see and do along the way. Jackie But definitely use it as your starting point. We used it as our starting point. Jonathan Yeah, this is our starting point. We highly recommend this. We sell it. It's $24.99. We have plenty in stock. Jackie There will be links. Jonathan There will be links. But you need a good route planning map. And a good route planning map of birds is actually hard to find. I have this one behind us on the video. Jackie Yep. Jonathan This is, you can't buy this map anymore. I got this almost 20 years ago. Jackie In London, right? Jonathan No, I got this at Barnes & Noble. Jackie Oh, okay. Never mind. Jonathan So we, this is, you need something like this. Jackie Basically almost a road atlas, a road map. Jonathan Stanford's has a great route planning map, and that's exactly what it's called. It's called the UK Route Planning Map. It's on the wall of my actual office. It has all the major roads, but it doesn't have traction. So it's more for planning the actual route. Jackie And that's where the adventure map comes in. Jonathan Yeah, and then you can compare the two side by side to sort of suss out where the things are you want to see related to the route. That's the hard part. We also recommend a good British road atlas. I neglected to bring it to the podcast, but you can get them on Amazon cheap. Because when you get a good road atlas, it breaks it down almost by sector in the country. And you can see the roads plus the attractions. Some people have hotels where the speed cameras are. It's real granular. And I actually need too much information. Jackie But bottom line, invest in a good map. Yeah, get a good map. Jonathan and also be you need to be comfortable with Apple Maps and Google Maps yeah while we were planning I used Google Maps a lot just to for to route segments and figure out where where things were and how long how long it would take to get Jackie yeah it was nice for distances because we knew no matter what Google said it was Jonathan gonna take like a third longer yeah I mean we were we really were gonna take a Jackie little bit of time so we wanted to make sure that you know we weren't packing our days so full that they were impossible and even still trying we found many days where we actually had accidentally Jonathan done that and we really couldn't hit all the sites we wanted to hit yeah so i actually had the whole route planned in google maps um but i didn't like print or bring it wet it was just kind of to give an overview because when we were actually on the road we used the gps apple maps on our Jackie phones to guide us to specific places oh and that's a good tip though is that um when you rent a car um in britain a lot of places will still offer what they call a sat nav yeah most modern Jonathan cars come with it sometimes you have to pay extra for it but if you have a working cell phone yeah We could not have done the trip without our smartphones. So that's a tip. Bring your smartphone. Jackie Bring your smartphone, but be prepared that you won't. Jonathan For the data charges. Jackie Well, and you won't always get a signal at some parts of this trip. That's when the sat-nav in the car comes in handy, because that will work everywhere. Jonathan So, yeah, and that's kind of how we did it. And we, as far as the overview of the trip, how we planned it, we wanted to start in Cornwall. We had never been to Cornwall. There was a lot we wanted to see and do. And when our, we have very good friends who own a cottage that we stay in a lot. They, I don't want to name drop them because they don't really want to be. Jackie But hello to them. Hi. Jonathan We know they're listening, but they don't really want to be a part of the media that surrounds the trip. So, I mean, you can occasionally see them in the background. Jonathan We respect that. We respect that. Jonathan That's fine. They actually, their family owns a holiday cottage in Cornwall, and they offered to show us around Cornwall for three days, which was hugely invaluable and amazing because we basically had personal guides for why we were in Cornwall, which probably we needed, and it was a great acclimation, and we saw things that we would not have gone to see because we didn't know they existed. So when we planned the trip, we wanted to spend at least three nights in Cornwall so we could see as much of it as we could before we moved on. So when we were planning the trip, we had to decide how do we get to Cornwall? that was the big problem was getting to Cornwall because Cornwall is not close to anywhere no and it's remote it's remote it takes a long time to get there we it takes a good five to six hours by train that's why when you watch Doc Martin and they say they had to go into London like it's an ordeal it's a day it's a day and so it's you know five six hours by train it's five hours by car that's if you don't stop. I mean, it's a good 300, 400 miles. And you could, actually, there was a news article a couple days ago. There's an airline that's going to start flights from Heathrow to Newquay. Jackie Sign me up. Jonathan That would have been useful. Jackie Sign me up. Jonathan That would have been useful two months ago, but it'll start next year. Jackie But I will say, though, that by far one of my most favorite memories, and it really was the beginning of our trip, is our British friends knowing that we were coming off of a transatlantic flight where we left at 9 o'clock in Chicago, Central Time, and arriving in London jet-lagged. And that in itself was just kind of a funny scenario because you don't want to be falling asleep in the backseat of somebody's car, even if they are dear friends. They made this delicious car picnic. and I have to make a side note here about my love for cheddar and onion jam sandwiches. Oh my God, there is nothing better than getting off of a flight and having a cheese and onion sandwich. I'm just saying that thing was absolutely delicious. Jonathan Yeah, so that's the decision we made is our friends offered to pick us up at the airport and drive us to Cornwall. So we didn't have to do it coming off a flight and we didn't have to. Jackie It was so great flying. We would have not made it. Jonathan One of the options we did explore and we were going to do is we were going to do the Cornwall Riviera sleeper train. It leaves Paddington Station late at night and then arrives in Penzance early in the morning. Jackie But that presented a problem. Jonathan I mean, what do we do? Yeah. We get off the flight from Chicago. It's 10 o'clock in the morning. What are we going to do all day? Jet lag. Jackie Until 10 o'clock at night with bags in central London. Jonathan Yeah. Jackie I mean, even though we traveled light. Jonathan It just didn't, it wasn't going to work. And we already had, we're getting ahead of ourselves, but we booked the cat owning sleeper coming back from Scotland. So we're like, I think one sleeper train was enough. Jonathan Yeah. And it ended up being enough. Jonathan And it ended up being enough, which we'll talk about later. Spoilers. So, yeah, so our friends picked us up. One slight diversion I forgot to talk about. There isn't a guidebook for this drive. I've picked up a book on Stanford's website. I've mentioned Stanford's before. Stanford's is the travel bookstore in Covent Garden that has every travel book, every map you can imagine. It's heaven. Jackie You want to go anywhere in the world, you start at Stanford's. Jonathan That's where the British imperialist explorers will go get their maps. But they had a book called The End-to-End Cycle Route, which I thought would be a good guide to help plan the drive. It wasn't a good guide. Actually, the book was pretty much useless for our planning. Jonathan You can learn. Jonathan So because there isn't a guidebook, I'm starting to feel the itch that maybe we might write a guidebook for this. Jackie Does that mean we get to go do the drive again? Jonathan Yeah, we have to do the drive again, though. Jackie Oh, darn. Let's totally go do it. Jonathan But there isn't a guidebook for it. So there's a hole in the market there, guidebook writers. So anyway. Jackie So, yeah, let's dive into Cornwall because I think we've talked a lot about. Jonathan Well, do you want to do the overview of the whole trip or just dive right into Cornwall? Jackie Let's dive into Cornwall here. Jonathan Okay. Jackie because let's, I think, I mean, we've given a good overview, and there's lots of information about this on the website at angletopia.net. Jonathan Yeah, I wrote, we'll put links in the show notes, but I wrote in detail about planning the trip and the route and everything, so you can read. Jackie Yeah, and feel free to shoot us any questions. Jonathan That we'll answer on the next podcast. Yeah, for sure. Jackie So, the great land of Cornwall. Jonathan So do you want to, like, go narrate from Heathrow down to Cornwall? I mean, how do you want to do this? Jackie I think it's a little too granular. How about we just kind of talk about some highlights? And what were your favorite things about Cornwall? Jonathan Do you want to talk about where we stayed? Jackie Yeah, yeah. I mean, I guess we should dive in there because that was kind of our base. Jonathan When do you want to talk about the car? Do you want to do the car when we actually get it? Jackie Yeah, let's do the car when we pick up the car. Jonathan Okay. Well, that'll probably be the next podcast. Jackie Yeah. Jonathan So, yeah. Jackie We stayed at the Polarian Bay. Jonathan Hotel. Jackie Hotel in Mullion Bay. Jonathan Yeah. Jackie And it was a recommendation from the friends that we mentioned. Their cottage, their holiday cottage is in Mullion Bay, which is a really cute little Cornish town. Really, really cute. Jonathan Yeah, so I think the most interesting thing about Cornwall is the vibe in Cornwall. Jackie Yes. Jonathan Cornwall is a beachy, laid back. Jackie But not like California beachy or Florida beachy. It's a vibe all of itself. Jonathan Yeah. Like you said, this part of Cornwall where we stayed, it's on the Lizard Peninsula. It's very remote. It's the furthest you can get away from anything in Britain other than the Scottish Isles. Jackie It's what heaven looks like, in my opinion. I could live very, very happily down in Cornwall. Jonathan Yeah, and so there's not a lot of people down there, at least when we were there. It's probably different in the summer, but there's not a lot of people around, a lot of windswept landscapes. Jackie The views of the ocean are just... Jonathan Yeah, I mean, there's just ocean everywhere. Jackie Yeah, you're spoiled. You're spoiled. Jonathan Yeah, it's endless sea in the horizon. And we'll talk about the sea when we write our articles about the trip, but the sea is very important in British culture and heritage, and it was nice to be down by it. Jackie Well, and I think that you still get the feeling that, you know, while industry has moved on in a lot of ways in England, you know, you've got international banking and a lot of international business, there's still this feeling that Cornwall is still very much tied to the sea for their livelihood, whether it's tourism or fishing or, you know, just other things that have to do with the sea. you still really get the sense that life kind of revolves around it. And that is really kind of a treasure that's really neat to see. Jonathan So we stayed at the Polar and Bay Hotel for three nights. That was the longest we stayed at a single hotel the whole trip. Jackie It was a big Victorian seaside hotel. Jonathan Yeah, most of the rooms have a sea view. You can open the window and listen to the ocean on the rocks. Jackie Which is my favorite. Jonathan In better weather, there's outdoor seating for the restaurant and whatnot. Jackie And there's a pool. There's a walk down to the beach. While the hotel was, I don't want to say tired, it had a very loved-in feel, but not in a bad way. It felt comfortable. It felt like a place that I would be comfortable to bring the little Anglutopia juniors. Jonathan It kind of reminded me of an episode of Mr. Bean where Mr. Bean goes to the seaside. And he gets trapped outside of his room with his clothes off. That's not why it reminded me of it. But the hotel that he stays at is very similar in feel, seaside-y feel to, I'll link to it on YouTube. It's funny. But that's kind of the feel I got from it. It's very. Jackie It felt very authentic, though. very authentic in a good way yeah it was it was a neat experience I mean the view from our room was just you could see the sea yeah that's in the room is very Jonathan Spartan so the focus is to see right you know they had everything you'd expect in the hotel or in the staff at the hotel were perfectly friendly they washed our Jackie clothes for us well we it's a service they offer yeah we because we needed to Jonathan have a couple things cleaned and then um we had to have some things delivered um which is a whole other story the when when you're when your seven-year-old sweet sweet son helps you pack your camera gear you should probably double check his work because in my case yeah i came to cornwall Jackie without battery chargers for my camera yeah and I'm gonna be filming hours of Jonathan video and I'll take you thousands of pictures I need my batteries to last longer than a couple hours so that was a problem so this is where we encountered the remoteness of Cornwall because we thought oh I have an Amazon UK account because why wouldn't I and I thought well I'll just order stuff on Amazon UK and have it shipped the next day because that's the way Prime works. And Britain's small. You can get anything delivered anywhere usually in a day. Well, Cornwall's a little different. Jackie Yeah, we learned that quickly. Jonathan None of the deliveries from Amazon would come until after we had left Cornwall. And so that was a real problem. And thankfully, our British friends came to the rescue and found a place that was actually an online camera battery charger store that was actually in Cornwall Jackie that could ship it the next day Jonathan and have it there the next day. Jackie They saved the day. Jonathan They saved the day. So that's where we first encountered the remoteness of Cornwall is that, oh, things take a little longer down there than they do elsewhere in Britain. Jackie But that's fine. And that's fine. Jonathan But, you know, we got our charger. Jackie So, like, what was your number one most favorite thing about Cornwall? Jackie I probably should have thought about this before we sat down to record this. Jackie Well, I'll say I'll go. It gives you time to think. I think the sea. Like, I have a love affair with the sea anyway. I'm learning to sail. And just, you know, the views everywhere. It looks, the sea, the parts of the Cornish coast kind of remind me of Northern California. And it's so beautiful. It's just, I mean, we were lucky enough. We saw the remnants of a huge storm that kind of sideswiped Cornwall while we were there, which was great that we didn't take a direct hit. So the sea was all turned up one day we went, and our friends took us to this little tiny, I would call it like a cafe, Jonathan that is literally perched on a cliff over the side of the sea. It's the lizard point, the southernmost point in Britain. Jackie It's really funny. We sat there and we watched the sea and we went for donuts. But I actually ended up having a jacked potato for breakfast, which is really kind of bizarre. But, yeah, it was really good. But going back, the sea was incredible. We saw, was it sea lions? Sea lions or seals? Jonathan Sea lions. Jackie Sea lions. Jonathan And they all have a name. Jackie And they were all playing in the surf. It was really an amazing experience to see. Jonathan I think my favorite thing in Cornwall, if you heard a weird noise, it was our dog and his crate. He's a puppy. He's protesting. I think my favorite thing in Cornwall was when we went to go to where they filmed Doc Martin in Port Isaac. Jackie Yeah, that was neat. Jonathan That was pretty cool. I'm a big fan of Doc Martin. I don't know how much of a fan she is. We've watched together, but I really like Doc Martin. In fact, I have the urge to go sit and binge from beginning to end right now. It's a good thing to do in the winter. Jackie Although, the people of Port Wynn, after a while, when does the doc just like, I can't help you people. You guys keep getting yourselves into trouble. Jonathan So we drove there. I think that was our second to last day in Cornwall. And it was quite a drive to get there. It was on our way. No, no, we were leaving Cornwall, I think. Jonathan Yeah. Jonathan Yeah, so it was on our way out of Cornwall because it's a bit remote. So we went to Port Isaac, and it was, unfortunately, it was mob of tourists, even in September because Americans love this show, and it's very popular in Britain, too. Jackie Well, and there were people from all over the world there, too. Jonathan So there was people from all over the world coming to see Port Isaac, And once you, our friend who was driving dropped us off closer and he had to go park in the car park. He had to go park far away. Poor guy had to walk. And when we walked down and then like we rounded the bend and there was the school and there was the bay. And then you could see across St. Mark Martin's house. It was exactly like it was when you watch a TV show. And I was like, this is amazing. This is a real place. Jackie Oh, side note, though. The school is actually a really cool gift shop. I highly recommend stopping in. Jonathan Well, it's next to the school. The school is a hotel, is a B&B restaurant. Jackie Oh, right. Yeah, but the gift shop there is a lot of fun. Jonathan So, yeah. We'll have more thoughts about Cornwall when we write about it, or more about Port Isaac when we write about it, because it was very touristy, Which is not necessarily a good thing, but... Jackie I don't think it was necessarily very touristy. I think it was very tourist-filled. But I also think that... Jonathan Most of the shops were geared to the visitors. Jackie But I also think that the town itself is kind of at that tipping point where it's almost like you can see where they've adapted to tourists and to becoming a tourist hotspot, where they're kind of at that tipping point from it being kind of what you see on TV versus almost, I don't want to say a little Disneyland-ish because it has a negative connotation, but not. Jonathan Yeah, pretty soon, I mean, I can only imagine what it's like in the summer Jackie because we were in a bumper season and it was crowded. Jonathan So I wouldn't be surprised if they had to shut off the village Jonathan or charge admission to get to the village. Time to entry, that kind of thing. Yeah, because there are a lot of people who want to see it. Jonathan But my favorite experience in Port Isaac, other than seeing it and going to the doc's cottage and having a selfie in front, was I tried a Cornish pasty for the first time, and it was amazing. Jackie That's a big deal, because you don't try new foods. Jonathan Yeah, for those who don't know me, I'm a very picky eater, which is a problem when we travel in Britain, because food's very different. Over the years, I've gotten better at it and stuff. So I tried a Cornish pasty for the first time, which was very risky for me. Jonathan Yeah. Jonathan But it was delicious, and it was amazing. Like, I want more Cornish Fasties in my life. So that was probably my overall most favorite thing. And also, spending a lot of time with our good friends was... Jackie Yeah, that is definitely up there. Jonathan It was awesome. Jackie It was nice. Jonathan They're like our surrogate English family. Jackie So it was like three, almost four days, right, with them? And it was just neat. Jonathan Hopefully they didn't get sick of us. Jackie Right. We, you know, we've known them for a long time now, and we've watched their family grow, and they've watched our family grow, and it was just kind of neat to be able to spend the time with them and really have them show us a place that is so near and dear to them. And it was great that, you know, we were with somebody that, you know, knew the back roads and knew how to get where you wanted to go quickly, and that was a big thing. I will say one of the struggles for me, and it was just me, and it's no bearing on our lovely hosts at all. Cornwall is, the roads are real twisty-turny and hilly, and you move around a lot in the car. So if you are prone to car sickness or motion sickness in the car, you know, be mindful of that. Maybe bring some Dremamine with you or some anti-nausea. I struggled a little bit with it, but not to the point where it prohibited me from. Jonathan And you got used to it. Jackie I did. I did. You know, I think that if you are prone to it, you can look up online. There are lots of websites that show kind of how to, tips to cope with it in the car, that kind of thing. But, you know, like I said, it didn't prohibit me from seeing anything and enjoying myself and having a great time. But if you are prone to it, it is something to be mindful. um so i'm looking at the clock here and we got about 20 minutes left yeah so why don't we why don't we talk about the car yeah let's talk about the car that's kind of that's kind of the jumping off point of really cornwall we had definitely started the journey but we didn't drive our Jonathan friends did so which was great so when we left cornwall the the plan was our friends would drive us to the bristol airport and we would pick up a rental car there which was our nearest available pickup no that was that was convenient for the for the route yeah well that's what i meant because they had to go that way to get to get back to because they they had to go to cotswolds well so were we yeah so that was the that was the ideal place to do it um because we could have picked a rental car up in penzance or bristol was the ideal place um so we always rent with hertz rent a car um always had a good experience even when there were issues which we won't talk about here shout out to Hertz UK uh yeah Hertz UK um so when we but when we picked the car you know normally we try to do things on a budget here so we would just pick the cheapest automatic and we would usually end up with a like a Volkswagen Golf or a relatively small car which is fine which is fine um but this time because of the amount of time we were going to spend in the car and the fact that we're going to be in the countryside a lot and maybe northern scotland maybe even going off road a little bit or at least on dirt covered roads we didn't know what we didn't yeah we thought well maybe we should spend a little more and rent an suv class so that's which Jackie side note neither of us drive an suv here in the states we're we're both small smaller Jonathan it's a wagon i disagree it's a wagon it's a crossover it's a wagon it's a crossover it's a she's in denial that her Volvo is an SUV but it's a wagon anyway moving on so we so I we booked an automatic SUV class which was like it didn't cost that much Jackie more I think it was like a hundred more dollars total side note to that was the Jonathan right choice yeah and I don't have the numbers with me but I think we paid five or six hundred dollars total for the rental which is not bad which is for you Jackie know for well nine days well and explain what happened yeah okay so we're getting ahead of Jonathan ourselves so we get to bristol airport which has the worst signage imaginable our poor i can confirm our poor driver who just like couldn't find where to go and we got to the hertz place it turns out that's where you return the car not where you pick up the car so you had to walk around like it was a nightmare so we finally got picked up the rental car and they're like oh well it's a Land Rover Jackie Discovery we did not run a land rover discovery I'm like she's like it's a free upgrade I'm like Jonathan okay yeah right that's that's great that's we did get an SUV that's what we wanted but this is literally the top of the line SUV and I mean thankfully we only paid for what we rented Jackie but we had the nicest car for our drive. Thank you Hertz for the awesome upgrade. You know and I Jonathan understand the logistics of how rental car companies work and how why that happens and I get it that that's that's the only automatic SUV they had on hand so that's why we got it and I'm very glad that the algorithms that manage Hertz's car network ended up giving us the nicest car we've ever driven in our lives. I mean it's it was plush leather interior it was gigantic like it had every bell and whistle heated steering wheel which was great in scotland and Jackie like oh the heated seat i don't think i turned my heated seat off the entire time we we looked on Jonathan the on the car rental agreement the value of the car was like 70 000 pounds i know like i'm like i'm so glad i'm driving this for the next week well and it was funny because once we kind of got off Jackie and on our way in the car, the comfort level of this thing was just unreal. I said to John, jokingly, that we should have just canceled the rest of our hotels, popped into John Lewis, bought some duvets, and basically camped in the car. Jonathan Yeah, because we totally could have. Jackie Well, and the thing is that, okay, for those of you who don't know me, I am not a girl who roughs it. I have respect for those who can, and I think that's awesome, but a two-star hotel was roughing it for me. So for me to want to sleep in a vehicle I think really speaks volumes about the vehicle. I mean, it was just... Jonathan As the British would say, it was quite posh. Jackie Oh, it was very posh. And what's funny is later that night, Jonathan we met up with our friends again for a goodbye dinner. Jackie Yeah. Jonathan And the male version of our friend and his son-in-law, they were climbing all around it with great interest. Because it's so rare to see such a luxurious car. The word S used was, it's over-spect. Jonathan Yeah. Jonathan Which is the most understated way of saying that the car is ridiculously over the top. Jackie Absolutely. And, you know, it kind of, like, as we were trying to, like, sync our phones to it so that we could drive hands-free, so we could still do business on the road and talk to the kids at home and maps and all that. Like, I literally had to contact my sister back here in the States who has a lot of experience in the auto industry and that kind of thing, going where do I find the guide even to sync my phone because even a basic google search like we couldn't find it like it was so luxurious and overdone like eventually we got there and it was just it was but I will say though that as funny as it is is is wonderful and opulent as the car is there i think there were times where we felt almost kind of like not showy but just well Jonathan okay we're big fans of top gear yes this is gonna sound like a rude word but it's not rude in Jackie britain but it's rude here okay what word are you gonna say yeah you know i can't say it okay don't Jonathan say the word. Yeah, most of our fathers, I can't say. We felt like tools. Yeah, Jackie a little bit. We felt like those Americans. Yeah, we felt like those Americans Jonathan in their giant car come barreling down a single track lane and their Land Rover get out of my way. Yeah, so we Jackie tried to be really mindful of that. Jonathan And tried to be courteous. Jackie But I think, though, that too, that sometimes it just couldn't be helped Jonathan because the vehicle, it's massive. I mean, coming from Jackie america where we i think it's kind of like we specialize in ridiculously large cars like this was like trying to get this thing in a car park which if you've ever driven in a british car park it's like performing surgery anyway like unless you've been trained on how to do it and you've had lots of practice but it's like trying to i don't know trying to park a school bus like it's just it was nuts and so not only are we those americans but we're those americans trying Jonathan park Land Rover. At least no one can tell we're Americans while we're in it, right? As long as Jackie we keep our mouths shut. Jonathan What's funny is it did come in handy because we went to a lot of National Trust properties. We'd park in a muddy field and we didn't have any problems in our Land Rover. Jackie Well, even far northern Scotland, although there was motorway the whole way. There were parts where it was real hilly and it was you know, I think that probably any vehicle could probably just about any vehicle could do the drive but there was something about being in the Land Rover that just um you know really not only did it make a more comfortable ride but we knew in confidence that we were going to get to where we wanted to go Jonathan another perk of it being so big is um I don't know if we'll talk about the luggage today but we planned to pack light and so we each brought a carry-on only for the whole trip which is great Jackie That was rough, folks. I won't lie. That was rough. Jonathan It was fine for me. So, but because the Land Rover was so big and we were changing hotels every night once we left Cornwall, like, I would just, we would just leave our, I would leave my luggage in the car and just take what I needed for the next day. And, you know, I didn't need to bring the suitcase in everywhere we went. So, I. Jackie Which actually, it worked out really well. I mean, it was good that we packed light. I guess we could kind of cover that real quick in our last couple of minutes. It's just how do we pack for a trip like that? Because, I mean, we were there for 11 days. It took us 11 days to do the journey. We moved just about every night. Jonathan Except in Cornwall. Jackie Except in Cornwall. And one of the nights being on a sleeper train. So, like, logistically, how do you pack for something like that? I think that, you know, we've done a lot of traveling back and forth to Britain. And one of the things that we continue to learn, I continue to learn, is to pack light. Because a British hotel room is a lot smaller than an American hotel room, which is fine. It's efficient. But that giant piece of luggage just does not, Britain is not built for it. Jonathan Well, so a few years ago, we started using the Away travel bags. And we'll put a link in the show notes. Jackie Shout out to Away. Hello. Jonathan put the affiliate link so we get the credit nice so we get a new one so we use the away bags which are these new luggage that they're designed to be thrown around but they have batteries in them so you can charge your devices and and they're real stylish and they're the new thing for travel they're great bags they're great bags we've had a couple issues over the years like with the straps Jonathan and said breaking. But they've always stood by their product. Jonathan Yeah, they have a lifetime guarantee. Actually, we just sent Jackie's off to get fixed for free. Jackie I don't know how many thousands of miles mine's traveled to. When you think about it, it's just wear and tear. Jonathan What would happen is we have big luggage and we would pack this big luggage for our yearly trips over. We put both in full disclosure. We put both of us Jackie in one giant suitcase. Jonathan Even that wasn't enough. We'd have to end up buying a duffel bag to get stuff home. And like luggage has become the worst part of travel for us. Jonathan Yeah. Jonathan And so I don't know who really, I mean, I was kind of the driver of it. Jonathan I think it was you, really. I was just like. In all honesty. I was like, we can't do this anymore. Jonathan Like we should just do a carry on. People do it. Like we should just do a carry on. So I managed it so we could both have these away, the bigger carry on, which is their second biggest bag. and it's big enough to, it's not, it's just large enough that you can still take it on board with you. You don't have to check it. And it's because of the compression straps, you can fit 10 to 15 days worth of clothing in it as long as you re-wear some things and, or wash along the way. And we've done it, I've done it more times than Jackie because I went more this year for the Royal Wedding and stuff but it's just great to bring your bag with you on the plane yeah and Jonathan then walk right off the plane the baggage carousel and it comes with a Jonathan collapsible bag that you can use no doesn't come with a possible that comes Jonathan with a walker bag yeah I we take a collapsible duffel always they have collapsed a little for dirty clothes and then for souvenirs and then we check it Jonathan on the way home because we don't care on the way home but you know going it's it just makes us quick and efficient so that's kind of that's this is really the first trip where we both did that yeah together and I'm reasonably sure that's the way we're gonna keep doing it Jackie going forward I will say that it definitely had its been it had its benefits um but I think though that the time of year was also tricky because although we were supposed to have you know 60 degree weather we had like 40 and 50 degree weather and it was very wet where it wasn't forecasted yeah i mean you acquired a few pieces of clothing along the way i did out of necessity Jonathan and that's another part of our travel philosophy we haven't really talked about much is you know britain is a great country they have great retail stores great british products great british products you can buy anything you need when you're traveling right if you run out of something like that's why we don't i don't bring i don't bring shampoo and conditioner because we can just get Jackie there well and had we brought that we couldn't have carried on yeah because you can't carry on Jonathan because of the tsa requirements so we just get there go to a booth spend 10 pounds on your toilet Jackie trees and you're you're done i will tell you i found some of my most favorite products that i absolutely love um doing that and i've been thrilled when the products have made their way Jonathan over here it adds it adds to your travel experience because one of the things i love to do when I travel is I like to become a temporary local. Jonathan Yeah. Jonathan And you get that local color going into local shops. And you get souvenirs that mean more. Like you bought in Cornwall when we were in Port Isaac and you needed a coat. It ended up being wetter and colder than you planned to. Jackie Yeah. Jonathan Neither of us brought a coat. Jackie But we had packed layers. Jonathan We had packed layers. Jackie And so always packed layers when you're going to Britain. Jonathan I had a sweater so I was finally out of coat. But you needed a coat. So you got a duffel coat? Jackie Oh, it's really cool. Jonathan It's wax and waterproof. Yeah, it's very Cornish. Jackie By a company called Lazy Jacks. And I will say one of the cool things about Cornwall is there was clothes for sailing everywhere. And as a beginner sailor, I was all about it. Now, the only piece of clothing I bought was the coat, but it was a wax-covered cotton. And it was a really thin coat, very nautical-themed, very Cornish, super cute coat. And I wasn't sure if it would be warm enough or not, but believe it or not, that wax barrier on the coat really repelled the wind, and it kept me dry. By far one of the best souvenirs I have ever bought, but super functional. Jonathan Right, now you'll treasure it. Jackie Always. Jonathan And if you'd had a coat with you, you probably wouldn't have looked for it or bought it. Jackie No, and I can see myself even using it sailing here. Jonathan you know like in a few years ago um when we went for the diamond jubilee back in 2012 uh we got to britain and it was like 30 degrees warmer than we had packed for yeah that was and so we had to we had our first day there we had to go to go to the shops and buy summer i think marks and spencer right we went to marks and spencer to buy summer clothes and i had the shorts i bought there for years afterwards and then i bought a pair of sandals that lasted me like five years i mean And they were the best pair of sandals I ever had. And I finally had to say goodbye to them this past summer. Jonathan And you know what I did? Jonathan I went back to Bartson Spencer while I was at Windsor for the Royal Wedding. And I bought a new pair. And I look forward to getting five years of use out of them. So that's just examples of things that if you didn't pack. Because a lot of people will overpack to plan for any eventuality. And, you know, don't overpack. Add some serendipity to it. I know a lot of people travel in the budget. And that's why they do that. You don't necessarily want to spend your trip money on a piece of clothing or shoes or whatever. Jackie But speaking from experience. Jonathan You'll do it. You'll treasure those items more because you got use out of them and they're British. Jackie Well, and it's better than being too cold or too hot or, you know, your feet hurt or whatever and being miserable the whole time. I wanted to go into a little bit for those who wonder, like, how do you pack 11 days worth of clothes into a carry-on? Because that seems like a feat of engineering, but... Jonathan Well, do you want to do from a man's perspective and from your perspective? Jackie Yeah, I think that's a great idea. Jonathan You want me to go first? Jackie I'll go. Jonathan Okay. Jackie So one of the things that I highly recommend is pieces that mix and match. I started doing this a couple trips ago, and I would kind of put four or five outfits together where everything matches, and I could wear it a lot of different ways. I think layering as well was key. So, like, I could bring a sweater, but as long as I put, I felt comfortable, as long as I put something else underneath the sweater, then I felt like I could re-wear the sweater again. So, clothes that you can re-wear again. I will say the only thing that I brought, like, enough of where I either didn't re-wear, didn't wash in the hotel sink, were probably socks and undergarments. Like, for me, those are no-gos. Like, I'm not going to re-wear that. But other than that, so I brought a couple pairs of pants. I brought a lot of skirts with tights because they pack really thin. But I was still warm enough. I packed, I think, what, two pairs of shoes? Three pairs of shoes. Two or three pairs of shoes. A sensible walking pair, another more casual pair, and then a pair of dress shoes for a nice dinner, which seems excessive, but I have a thing for shoes. And then I made sure... It's expensive. I will say I also made sure to bring something for a nice dinner. Most places we stayed at had nicer places to eat, so it was appropriate for us to kind of dress for dinner. So, you know, that's something that I kept in mind. And then as far as, like, toiletries and that kind of stuff goes, like John said, like, we bought shampoo and conditioner and toothbrush. Not toothbrush, toothpaste. Like, you said boots. You could do super drug. Some of the bigger grocery stores will have that kind of stuff. And it's a fun adventure trying to, you know, find products that you really like. As far as toiletries went, I made sure that anything I couldn't live without, I had travel sizes. And, you know, I just knew that whatever I took with me in my carry-on, had the TSA said, no, you can't take that. You know, you have to leave it behind. I was willing to leave behind anything that they wanted. So, knowing that I could buy whatever I needed in Britain. And actually, you know, it had its drawbacks, like having to compress the suitcase every day. like that that was not my favorite part that's why i like putting it opening it in the back of the Jonathan land where we're just leaving it there because then you just get what you want for the next day and then you don't have to yeah do that every day but um so i had my carry-on with my stuff in it Jackie and that's kind of how i went about packing um i kept my accessories to a minimum i mean if everything matches you can use one or two accessories to kind of carry it through uh definitely bring a scarf not like a winter scarf like a like a decorative scarf such a versatile accessory you can wear it a lot of different ways and it will keep you warm if you need it um and then the only other thing i packed was a briefcase so we could work on the road and that Jonathan kind of thing um so really just two bags well i must say and you'll see in the pictures when we publish our diaries that you looked great every day oh you're sweet you do you look fashionable Jackie and lovely every day oh i love you okay how did you pack so i'm a little different because i'm a Jonathan man i don't i don't hope that sounds sexist but yeah it does i'm about okay i'm a man of simple desires so uh my uniform in the office is a t-shirt and jeans every day an angle and my t-shirts come from Anglo tees our t-shirt business so I literally have a closet full of these no Jackie joke he really does it's actually avalanching out at the moment yeah I Jonathan really need to do a cleanup so these are thin and small so I packed over a dozen of these and then I also packed a couple dress shirts and a couple khaki or not a couple polo shirts for I need to smarten up because while I'm fine being comfortable the t-shirt most of the time just these trips are also business So I need to look decent and presentable, at least when we're on camera. I think I packed two pairs of jeans plus the pair of jeans I was wearing so that, you know, you can re-wear a pair of jeans three or four times. That's not gross. Jackie So it's jeans. Jonathan And so when we, in Cornwall, we had them clean the pair of jeans I wore over so that I had enough jeans for the whole trip. I also packed a pair of khakis for when I had to smarten up to go with the polos and, you know, then socks, enough socks for the day for the whole trip because I'm not going to wash socks. Jackie So I always pack a couple extra pairs and then undergarments. Jonathan And then I didn't pack a coat because it wasn't supposed to be super cold. Jackie It was super cold. Jonathan But I'm glad I brought a I brought a zip up hoodie with me. I didn't bring the Anglotopia hoodie. I should have. Jackie I thought you did. Jonathan No, I brought the purple one, didn't I? Jackie No, you brought an Anglotopia hoodie. Jonathan I brought the Anglotopia hoodie, which was linked in the show notes. Jackie When you weren't living in it, I was because I was freezing. Jonathan It's a very warm. Jackie It is. Jonathan It's very warm. So it was good enough because we weren't outside much. We were either in the car or in a stately home. Jackie Or in between the car and somewhere. Jonathan Yeah, we were never really outside. We didn't go for any long walks. It was fine. Jackie Because we were cold and we weren't necessarily equipped for it. Jonathan Yeah, it was fine. It ended up being okay. And so, you know, because I remember when we were packing, I was like, Jackie's like, bring your coat. And I'm like, I don't have room for my light jacket. And I just have a nice light waterproof jacket. There was no room for it in my bag. I'm like, I'm not going to carry it on the plane. I'm like, I'll just be fine without it. And I was fine without it, but I kind of wish I had brought it. Jackie It would have been more comfortable. Jonathan I would have been a little warmer, especially in Scotland. Jackie Yeah, it's very windy. Jonathan so yeah that's what I brought for clothes I would if I did it again I would bring one or two more button up shirts and because it got to the point when we were in Scotland we had a really really nice dinner that we weren't that we didn't know was going to be really fancy Jonathan a very formal dinner and I was Jonathan in a t-shirt because all of my I'd used all my dress stuff by that point Jackie so yeah it was embarrassing for Jackie to be sitting with me. I won't lie. Jonathan So I would probably bring in an extra dress shirt. I only brought one pair of shoes. That was fine. I packed a versatile pair of shoes that were good for any surface. I kind of wish I'd brought my hiking shoes, but again, I didn't have room. I was fine with the shoes I brought. Jackie You were fine to a certain extent. I mean, it did limit us. Jonathan I couldn't go for walks in the countryside with the shoes I brought. Jackie yeah or along the coast or there was a because it was so wet there was a lot of mud yeah so i mean Jonathan there were there's been trips in the past we packed our wellies like there was there was no room for that yeah so so that's that's kind of how i approached it and i had a carry-on backpack i bought it from e-bags it's their um their medium size i forget what it's called it's their one of main backpacks that they make and it's it was the perfect backpack thing is brilliant yeah it's got all these compartments made laptops got a compartment for chargers like that was great so when you do do carry-on only you have to have a great backpack or briefcase like a secondary secondary bag yeah I could keep a change of clothes in there and I could keep you know anything important work wise or the itinerary and stuff so that was that was Jackie cool well we should probably wrap up but in the camera here next why don't we is you said is there anything that you would have changed about packing about Jonathan arriving that you would have done differently for the whole trip or just Jackie the first part of it because first part of it or packing kind of what we've Jonathan covered today I wouldn't do another day or two in Cornwall yeah we just ran out of time to do some of the things we wanted to do and i regret that we weren't able to do them Jackie i think that we could i think that we could easily go back to cornwall and spend we could Jonathan spend a couple weeks in cornwall and still not see everything easily um and i i would say i would have packed like the extra dress shirt maybe use my um hiking shoes instead of my nice slip-on loafers um and then maybe remember to pack your camera charger because otherwise you're going to have to order one and spend your valuable trip budget on camera gear that you already had because now i have a uk charger for a camera that i'm never going to use again because Jackie it's too big and bulky and i already had a charger so i you know oh i will get used out of it i'm sure um i think i think that um it's one of those things that i knew to pack a coat and i didn't Jonathan Yeah, I would have brought a jacket. Jackie That was not so bright on my part. Jonathan Yeah, and I think the coat you bought was like 100 pounds. Jackie But I will wear it forever. Jonathan Yeah, again, that's a thing where you've got to look at the long tail for that. Jackie And I think, really funny, I would have brought trainers or tennis shoes. So I've got this thing about when we travel where I don't like to wear tennis shoes. I like to wear a comfortable travel shoe, but not necessarily a tennis shoe. and when we started traveling in Britain nobody would wear nobody wore tennis shoes like you would see people wearing tennis shoes when they were working out or you know playing tennis or that kind of thing they weren't really a street shoe well over the years we've been traveling that's changed and it um our friends um the female counterpart um she and I were talking kind of about shoes and that kind of thing and at one point we went up to St. Michael's Mount in Cornwall and I absolutely go if you have the choice the chance it's just an amazing opportunity I completely forgot about it I know there's so much yeah that was that would be the ah Jonathan that's the number one thing we did is the St. Michael's mom oh no um but I will say um you've Jackie got these paving stones and these beautiful paved it's almost like cobble but it's not it's so much older than that but the day we went um it had just stopped raining and so everything was really wet and although I had a good pair of loafers on that had a good rubber sole on them I was all over the place and I felt absolutely ridiculous um and so there were lots of people in trainers and Jonathan I just thought to myself what I would give for a pair of trainers right now well spoilers at the Jackie Durham section of the trip you bought a pair of trainers I did I did because enough was enough like I as great as my loafers were and as great of a travel shoot as they were they just they didn't really do it for us so i think i think we're gonna wrap it up because we've babble on Jonathan long enough um clearly this is going to be a multi-part podcast about the trip so we if you enjoyed this and have any questions comments about the trip please email us at info at anglutopia.net or just use the contact form on our site or leave a comment on our various social media platforms and we will try to answer them the next time we talk, Jackie which will be about a week or two. About a week or two. Jonathan We don't know when we're going to release this yet, so once we start releasing it, we'll try to do it every week. Jackie So tune in next time. We'll do a couple of- Jonathan Cotswolds, York, and Durham, Jackie and maybe talk about some topical things. Yep, definitely. And then after that, probably Scotland. We might throw a Christmas podcast kind of in the mix here, And thank you for taking the time to listen to us. And we look forward to questions, comments, productive feedback, that kind of stuff. Thank you so much. Jonathan Thank you. Продолжение следует... Продолжение следует...