Yeah, that's very cool. So I highly recommend checking those out there. They're a lot of fun. And we've got more fun guest planned as the year goes on. Our plan is to release something almost every week with hiatus, small hiatuses in between. But from going forward, the podcast is a primary focus for us. So, and occasionally we will pop in and do an episode or two as well to keep things, switch things up. So this week, we're going to talk about how to have a great transatlantic travel experience.

Not all the bits in England. We're going to talk about getting there. Yeah. The good, the bad, and the ugly. Now, we've traveled together at least 20 times over the last 25 years. So we, transatlantic flights have been old hat to us at the state. So we have lots of kind of rituals and tips and tricks that we use to make it bearable. We've done it at different stages of our lives. Yes. I've done it. You know, before we were married together and then traveled pregnant, which is in itself its own adventure and then traveled with infants and children.

And now, well, not quite just us, but it's, yeah. They're not invited on the next trip. Anyway. So. And so we're going to, we're going to sort of talk about how you can have a good transatlantic flight, because it can be daunting for some people. A lot of people are afraid to fly. It's true. And it isn't. And it hasn't gotten. any easier, I would argue. Like, I know that's probably a controversial thing to say, but.

Well, travel, air travel is very stagnant experience-wise. The planes are the same speed as they were 20 years ago. They're not getting any faster anytime soon. So everybody takes the same amount of time to get everywhere, wherever they're going. And the passenger experience hasn't really changed if you're an economy like most of us. And we'll talk about other classes in a little bit because we have flown all the classes. is over the 25 years from various opportunities and experiences we've had.

And so we kind of know what it's like to fly at the front of the plane and the back of the plane. Yep. But at the end of the day, the plane is all going to the same destination. It's all going to the same place. And it's taking you to England, which is what the purpose of this podcast and this business is all things English. So, yeah. So why don't I pour the tea? And I know you've got some updates that you want to share with the audience.

And what tea are we drinking today? We're drinking Cornish tea today, our old standby, which we are sold out of in the Anglotopia store. Oh, no. And I suspect we're going to say sold out for the foreseeable future, simply because you can now buy Cornish tea on Amazon. Yes, but when you buy it on Amazon, you're not supporting your favorite British website. But it's very hard to compete with the world's richest band on price. Well, then you buy on printout.

When you can. So we're not, we're not, probably not going to restock until it this year early next. And we'll put a link in the show notes to the Amazon page. I do. It hurts. It hurts. Free advertising. It hurts. The richest man in the world can afford his own advertising. No offense to the richest man in the world. Although, is he the richest man in the world? It goes back and forth between him and Elon.

Okay. Well, let's not even talk about that. So, a few things that. update on Anglotopia. It has been a very busy summer for Anglotopia. And as Anglotopia has been a new focus for me this year, as we talked about, I am shipping things as quickly as possible with new, new features, new opportunities, new everything on Anglotopia. And so keeping the train running. So three of the big things I want to talk about today real quick, because I can easily talk about the whole podcast talking about these things.

I feel like I need a buzzer for you. Like, send next. So the first thing. is the biggest thing, which is we launched the Friends of Anglotopia Club back in June. And we have a whole podcast about that, which I'll link to in the show notes. But basically, our goal over the next year is to eventually remove the Google Ads from Anglotopia. And to do that, we need people to subscribe to our club so that we can make up the revenue loss from removing the ads.

And by joining the club, you get the Sunday post, which is a lovely little article every Sunday in your inbox. Sorry, if you're listening, you can hear the tea cup on the table. And it's, I've been publishing it every week since June. And it's been a great way to share a lovely article about an experience we've had, about a place we've been, about an interesting aspect of British culture, and it's stuff that we're not publishing on the main website yet.

So you read it first in the club. And you also get access to the podcast early. So we release the podcast to the club online. Wednesdays instead of Friday for everybody else. And the biggest super cool thing that just launched last week is the private chat room and forum that we launched at Anglotopia. Chat. And so it's only accessible by members of the club. And it's a place to talk about all things British history, travel, and culture in a safe space away from the rest of the internet.

It's completely private. It's moderated. It's moderated. No one is allowed to join unless they're a member of the club or one of us. And so and so far we've had some great discussions about what is everybody binging right now on British TV, what are people planning for their next trips and and it's really neat. So it combines a forum discussion environment with chat rooms like on a Slack channel. So you can you can have like so eventually like when there's a live event going on what will live update in in the chat forum instead of like on social media or somewhere else.

And so so the Friends of Anglotopia Club will put a link in the show notes. Please join. It costs $6 a month or $64 a year. Most people sign up for a year. That seems to be the most popular option. And so far, we're at 103 members at my last count, which is a great strong start. We need to get to 300 members to remove the ads from Anglotopia. So we're a third of the way there.

So I'm ahead of, we're ahead of schedule. I think hopefully later this year or early next year, we'll reach our 300 member target. So please join. It costs just the same amount as two cups of tea. And you get to support great quality writing about British travel history and culture. And pretty soon will be launching a monthly feature article from an outside writer. And now I'm getting off track. Come on. Just back on track. They want to hear about transatlantic travel.

Next thing. The Bridgerton book is finally out. I am holding it up for people watching the YouTube video. Oh my goodness, it's a miracle. The World of Bridgerton, Anglotopia's guidebook to the Georgian and Regency era. So it's not a guide to the show. It's a guide to the historical period that inspired the show. So if you watch the show and you're curious about the historical context and the way things are and customs and culture and all that, this book is your guide.

It's just over 200 pages. It covers, you know, the different titles. It covers culture. Well, what a great gift for, you know, the Bridgerton fan in your life. Because, like, can you imagine being able to watch the show and go like, oh, did you know? This is why they bow or they curtsy to, so, it's, like, it's, it's, it's a neat one. It will make a great stocking stuff for it too, like, it is super fun.

It's a nice little book. It's compact. Yeah. It will fit in a stocking. See, it fits in a stocking. That's what I'm saying. It costs 1999 for booksellers, from us. You can get on Amazon, you get it from us. You can get the e-book. There's an audio. Wait, there's not an audio version. So take that back. And you can enjoy all things, Bridgerton, in this lovely little book. So it's been a brisk seller so far, so we're very pleased that I finally got it done.

It's been a labor of love for you. It's been a very long time in the making. And in a few weeks, we will be launching another book, which would be a guidebook, which is a return to form for our guidebooks. So it's about Oxford. Well, we'll talk about that. Then, so. Yeah, we'll do a podcast about that. Transatlantic Travel. No, oh, my God. We got to talk about the calendars. Oh, okay. I'm sorry, guys. So for 2025, after a break last year, because we couldn't find a printer who could print calendars, we have brought back the Anglotopia and Londontopia calendars for 2025.

We're taking pre-orders now. We're ordered a very limited print run because of the cost to print. And we, at last checking, we're very close to selling out. So please, this is one of our most important fundraisers for the website for the year. It funds a lot of our operating costs, hosting, email, all the wonderful things we have to pay for to run this business. And so if you could buy the calendar, you'll have 13 lovely pictures on your wall every month, picked from our archive over 100,000 pictures.

You'll have U.S. and UK holidays so you can keep up on both sides of the pond. And it's 9 by 12 this year. year, and then it will look nice on your wall. And unfortunately, the launch pricing has ended, so they cost $24.99. And you can order them now at the store, and I will put the link in the show notes. And that is the last Anglotopia update I will make. So now we can talk about Transatlantic travel 10 minutes into the podcast.

Transatlantic travel tips. Yes. Where do you want to start? Do you want to, like, we're assuming you've bought the ticket or you're getting ready to buy the So this is not about how to buy a ticket. Yeah. Why don't we talk about classes? You want to talk about classes? I was going to say we should start about time of flight, but. Okay. I mean, if you want to start with the classes, we can. It's up to you.

Yeah. So, like I mentioned in the introduction, we've had the opportunity to travel in all classes. Through the generosity of others. Yeah. We should, like. Yeah, we have not, we did not, when we flew first class, we did not pay for it. It was provided for us. by an advertising partner. Very graciously. Yes. So. We're always open to that. We're always open to that. Yeah, absolutely. So I guess we'll start at the front of the plane and go back.

Yikes. So, and actually, first class isn't available on a lot of transatlantic flights anymore. It depends on the route and the plane if you're going to have a first class. But usually the features of first class are live flat beds and your own kind of private. cabin and, you know, great service. And when we did it... Incredible service. And is it, I don't know, I guess it depends on your carrier and that kind of thing, but the carrier we flew, like the food, I don't think it was cooked to order, but it was...

It was pretty fresh. It was gorgeous. Like, it... Not typical airplane food. No. I had steak at 30,000 feet. It was great. First class is very expensive. It's outrageously expensive. At least for us. I know, we recognize that not everybody is in the same position. Yeah, I don't, I don't know that I would even pay for first class if I, like, if I was rich. A lot of people get in first class through their miles programs.

That's a lot of miles. But, I mean, you're looking at $10,000 to $15,000 to fly in first class. When, you know, and usually when you go first class, there's a separate first class lounge. That's separate from the business class lounge. and you get a little more personal attention and, like, you know, our first name basis with the people in the room. Very exclusive. Very exclusive. It's an interesting feeling. It's an experience. It's meant to be a very comfortable, you know, it's just a whole different experience.

And you, you were pregnant when you went to the first class. So that, so that, they were very, very generous and caring to her when they found out she was pregnant because she was not well. No, I have never been air sick in my life. and I found out on my first time flying pregnant that when I fly pregnant, I get air sick, and it's pretty ugly. Not that that that's ever pretty, but our flight back, I was, so I got sick on the flight going.

And then coming back, we had a first class ticket, which was incredible. I was so excited, and I was really, we took a late afternoon flight coming back to the states. and I was so excited to experience that, but I was really battling some horrible, horrible morning sickness as well. And it was almost painful. I mean, because like the cheese menu with all lovely soft cheeses and the wine list, like the wine list, oh, I could have cried.

It was so beautiful. And they kept coming by and asking me, like, would you like a pre-dinner drink? And would you like? And so finally, I didn't want to be rude, so I just had to say, oh, I would love to, but I'm expecting. And then I think probably every 30 to 45 minutes, somebody came by and was like, would you like a warm blanket? Do you need any more water? Like, they were incredible. The service, they took such wonderful care of me.

And thankfully, I did not end up air sick coming back. I ended up going to the pharmacy in London, and they gave me something called Sea-Bands. Like, they're the wearable. Like, we didn't have anything like that here yet. And I was like, I was like, I don't know about this, but they worked. And the great care that we received. I would love to have the opportunity to do it again. Yeah. If somebody, well, right, if somebody partnered, because that's just not, that's not realistic for us in our, where we are, to be able to experience that again, not pregnant.

I think that, like, feeling fine and fresh and happy, and that would be incredible. But they took such excellent, excellent care of us. It was just a lovely experience. And you get that, the little first class, like, dop kit or, like, I don't know. I don't know, I don't know what they call it. But it's got, like, lovely things in it from the white company in a little bag. And it was just, oh, it was lush.

Oh, and jammies, remember? The British Airways jammies. So, which was fun. But anyway. Anyway, so, and then the next class is business class, which is the one that you always have to walk through to get to the rest of the plane. Yeah, we've flown business class a few times. A couple times, they were provided by partners. A couple times, we got a really cheap upgrade. Like, when you checked in, it says, you can upgrade for this amount of money, and you're like, I can handle that.

Well, let's, because there's a strategy for us when we fly business, because it's, yes, who would not like to fly, I mean, why would you not like to fly business? Because in most cases, you get lie flat as well, seats. And we don't fly business unless, number one, there's some sort of partnership or deal. Or number two, the times where we've actually paid out of pocket, which are very few, is if we have meetings when we land in country like that morning, because it's.

It's making you're buying that time back. Right. You have to try and get, so, which kind of leads into time, we always try and take the last or the latest flight out of Chicago. when we travel to London, and we do that strategically. So to kind of trick our body clocks into thinking it's overnight. And we'll share more tips about how to do that. But it's really when you've got to hit the ground running the next morning.

And I mean, four hours of sleep, five hours of sleep is better than no sleep. So. And then the strategy is that coming back on a daytime flight, we wouldn't upgrade to business class. Because we don't need to, this. Because we don't need to sleep. We can just sit there and watch our iPads for the flight home, which we'll get to. Business class is great. You usually get a, you get a lovely meal. You get to lie flat bed.

You get a little bit of a private cabin. I don't need the meal. I'd just go to sleep, which is a waste. Oh, so sad. And I, yeah, it's, I did business class in 2022 when I went. Mm-hmm. And it was, it was lovely. Yeah. But, again, business class is very expensive. It's like $5,000 to $7,000 depending on when you're going. Exactly. And so you're better off booking a premium economy or coach ticket and then waiting for them to offer affordable upgrades.

And sometimes we've been at the airport and there will be a sign that says you can upgrade to business class for this amount of money. And you're like, I can handle that. Because if you think about it, think about it like the cost of a hotel room. That if it's the cost of a hotel room to upgrade, that's worth it because you're going to get a much better night's sleep and you're going to gain that whole day when you get there rather than be jet-lacked all day.

Well, but important to mention, though, if you need a business class seat, if you have a health condition where you have to lay flat or that kind of thing, you are better off kind of biting the bullet if you're able to and booking. Do not assume that you will just get the chance. Because if they sold the plane out. The seat you paid for is the seat you're going in. They usually try to pack those planes.

Yeah. Exactly. And so, and then the next class that most transatlantic airlines have is premium economy. British Airways calls it World Traveler Plus. And it's a bigger seat. There's less seats going across and do you get more laid room? We've done that quite a bit, usually because it's not that much more than economy. Relately, it seems like it's a lot more. So that's, and on British Airways and premium economy, you get the business class meal. Yeah.

Which is a nice perk. Because then you get, you can like, you get steak, basically. Oh, wow. Or roast. It's nice. Well, and you're a tall guy. Yeah. I mean, like, look at the two of us next to each other. Oh, we're both in black today. You know. One die, we're just in black. But first class stuff. No, I'm kidding. But, you know, for you to sit in a coach seat, like, I'm classified as petite. Oh, yeah, they're somewhere on top.

I know that's, like, so wrong, but it's cooling very quickly. But the point I'm trying to make is that when, you know, I'm tight in a coach seat. And so sitting next to him in a coach seat, and usually it's depending on the plane configuration, and I've got somebody on the other side of me because he always takes the aisle. It's, which we'll get to. Anyway, yeah. So let's talk about coach men. Yeah, so coach is what most people are, I have the, no, please, sorry, what most people are likely to be in.

And that's, you know, that's where we're flying in October for our trip, our business trip. We're being coach. And that's kind of worthy advice in this episode will kind of be focused on because that's one of the recognize exactly is that most folks. I mean, let's be honest, you know, a plane ticket, whether you're in coach or wherever you choose to fly in the plane, plane tickets are not cheap. No. And so it doesn't, there's no shame in going in coach.

Like I said, the plane all goes to the same destination. It's about getting there. And when you move up in the plane, it's just about comfort. on your journey. Yeah, it just improves the experience. It improves the experience for you. And at the end of the day, you're not going to remember the flight. You're going to remember the experiences you had when you get there. Well, you hope you don't remember the flight. I mean, we had some pretty memorable flights, but, you know, hopefully the experiences you have on your trip are what you, or the memories you take.

And I think what's, you know, think about when we started traveling transatlanticallyly versus now. Think about all of the incredible things that happen. like noise cancelling headphones and compression socks and ear masks and, you know, fancy neck pillows. And like, none of that, like, when we started traveling, that really wasn't a thing. None of that was really a thing. Yeah. And so that kind of leads into tip number two, which is when, like, the timing of your flight.

Yes, this is so important. This is very important. Yeah, because it also depends on which city you're coming from. So we fly out of Chicago. which there are direct flights from Chicago to London. And then there, but there is like seven or eight flights a day between American Airlines and British Airways. If you add United in, it's there's probably 10 or 11. Yeah. And then LA's got even more transatlantic flights a day. New York. New York has, practically has an hourly flight to London.

And then Florida, right? Florida and Houston or Houston and Atlanta. and so, but all of them are going to be about the same amount of time lengthwise. You're going to vary between seven, seven to 12 hours. Yeah. Between the East Coast and the West Coast. Well, East Coast, sometimes it's like five or six hours depending on the tree winds. Like, you can get there really fast. So, but our perspective, as we're coming from Chicago, that's central time zone.

That's what we've done the most. And so that's kind of where our advice is kind of focused on it. And we recommend taking the latest flight you can for several reasons. So the first, and I think the biggest one, is you're going to make a big time jump. Yeah. And I have found that the best way, because the jet lag can be pretty brutal, especially if you've never experienced it before. So, like, I'm pretty sure everybody knows what jet lag is.

But if you don't, basically your clock, your inner clock is is, is really. confused like you're awake when you should be asleep and it's like it makes sleeping really hard and then you're drowsy anyway. So my pro tip is we take the the latest flight out. We have dinner in the airport before we go. But we'll talk more about food in a little bit. And then once we're like wheels up and we're in the ground, off the ground, I'm, that's it, I'm going to bed.

Like I, like, good night, like headphones on. like, whole nine yards, wake me up when we get and get to London. If I need a little something to help me sleep, I'll take a sleeping pill, and just wake me up when I get there. So I don't really do any of the, like, the extras. Like, I don't watch a movie. I don't, like, I don't have the dinner, pre-flight drink on the plane. Like, once I get on the plane, and I try and spend that time in the airport as kind of like I would wind down for bedtime.

So trying to kind of mimic them. those steps so that I'm tricking my body's clock into thinking. And that really worked when we were traveling with kids. Yeah, that was huge. We flew at their bedtime, basically, and... Yep, and they slept the whole way. I'm shocked. They were better arrested than we were. I have pictures of our son sleeping, like, half on the seat, half off the seat. Like, he's half standing, and, like, his torso is, like, but anybody who has toddlers or have been around?

Toddlers, no. Don't move him. Just leave him. He's sleeping. He's fine. But anyway. So, but here's, here's the other half of that. It's really important when you land in Europe, in the morning, that you have breakfast. You act like you got a full night's sleep because essentially you're gaslighting yourself. You're like, no, you're rested. You slept. And get outside in the sun. If it's not sunny, fine. Take a walk outside. It's so important to help kind of reset your clock and move through the rhythm of your day as you would normally to help reset the clock.

But the start to that is getting that last flight out. Yeah. And I would also say, I have trouble sleeping on the plane, sitting up. I have a little problem with that. You know, sitting up at home in front of the TV, I have no problems falling to sleep while we're watching something, but on a plane, I don't. A little sleeping pill. little drink. No, I'm kidding. I don't drink. So I'm just sitting there all excited for, you know, eight hours.

And, um. As I'm like snoring, right? But the key thing is just to get some sleep because even if you catnap, it's better than nothing. Yeah, it's better than nothing. Because when you get there, and this, this is another tip that, when someone mentioned this tip to me, I, like, I thought it was the most brilliant thing I ever heard. So one of the problems you have on transatlantic flights is that they all arrive either early in the morning or late morning because of the way that all the airlines do the flight timing.

And so when you get there, you can't check into your hotel. Nope. Hotel check in is until the afternoon, usually three to four o'clock. Because they're turning the rooms over. Yeah, they have to turn the rooms over. So, you know, your flight gets, if you take the early afternoon flight in Chicago, which is at like, I think it's at 430, you're going to get to England right when Heathrow opens at like 5 a.m. And what are you going to do?

We've done that. We've done that. And it's not great. It's brutal. Because you get there and you're like, well, what am I supposed to do for the next eight hours until I can check into my hotel? I've got bags. I'm tired. Yeah, it's what, what is it? It's midnight my time. I've just been through. I feel like so much, it's a little bit like going through a meat grinder. Yeah, going through the other. Transatlantic travel. You're like, oh, my God.

And so that's why we recommend the latest flight because it puts you there later in the morning. Yeah. And so you have to kill less time to get to your hotel. So what was the tip? But the tip is that oftentimes, two things. One, let your hotel know that you need an early check-in. Yeah. And usually, oftentimes, they will arrange the cleaning so that your room is clean first so that your room is ready when you get there.

Usually like around noon or one, much earlier. Yeah. Don't show up at 9 a.m. and expect your room. Like, the person who slept in it the night before is probably still in it. They don't want to leave because it's probably a nice hotel. And then, but the tip that someone mentioned. is actually book your stay to include the night you're leaving the U.S. and then tell the hotel that you're coming in early. That you're coming in early the next day so you're not a no-show so that the room is just there waiting for you.

Oh, my God. And if you're only paying a couple hundred bucks for your hotel all night. And you can afford it. And you can afford it. Like the price would be worth it to get there and your room is just sitting there waiting for you. Oh, my gosh. Because they're, I'm sorry. I don't care which. class you fly, which airline you fly, there is nothing better than when you finally get into your hotel room and you can shower.

Yeah. Like your body is weary, tired. I don't know about you, but I feel like every airport I've ever been through and I'm not knocking airports or airlines, I'm like, I cannot wait to shower. Like, there's something about travel that I just feel is like, ugh. And like, yeah. But, um, that's a good tip. That's a great tip, actually. Yeah, so you could do that. Now, even if you happen to get your room early, danger, danger traveler, don't nap.

Yes. Right away. No. You can take a nap, but do it like in the afternoon, but only for like an hour or two. Hour, like 30 minutes to an hour, tops. You don't, because you don't want to reset your clock then. You want to reset your clock at bedtime. So you just got to push to bedtime. Nine o'clock is perfectly acceptable. I think like usually. Like, you've given up the ghost by like eight. Yeah. I'm like, John, wake up, wake up.

Turn a British TV show on and fall asleep to it and you're good. You're going to have to, like, stand up watching TV. And then you're going to wake up the next day and your clock will be normalized. And I find actually jet lag is worse coming home than going because we do this, where we make sure we arrive rested and have that first day to do stuff. Yeah, but also keeping in mind that if you have the ability, if you're going to be there long enough and you literally do not have to hit the ground running.

That plan to do things, plan to do things outside. It will help your natural clock reset, but don't pack your day so full. Like, we had the opportunity. We flew once, and then we came directly off the transatlantic flight with a group of folks, and we had to go directly to a business seminar that a lot of thought and care was put into the business seminar, and it was really great. information for our business. We were very honored to be part of that group that was having that experience.

But, like, looking around the table and it wasn't just us. Like, by noon, we were all like, like, and they were serving us lovely food. So we were all warm and fed, and now we're stationary and sitting. And, like, that was. So be mindful of what you plan on your first day. Yeah. And then usually after that first hard day, then your body kind of normalizes. Yeah, at least for us. At least for us. And the key is to give as much rest on the plane as you can.

Absolutely. And don't nap as soon as you get into your hotel. And if you do take a nap, wait until the afternoon. Late after, like after 2 o'clock. Like, and like she said, have a great breakfast when you get there. There are lots of great breakfast places. Breakfast food is really important. Believe it or not, it cues something in the brain that. Yeah, that this is morning and I'm ready for the day. And you just be like, oh, man, I had a bad night's sleep.

Exactly. That's how we treat it. And drink copious amounts of tea. Well, there are people who will disagree with you on the caffeine, but I agree with you on this one. Especially after that afternoon nap, you're like, oh, where's the kettle? Tea time. Yep. So what's next on our list? Okay, so let's see, we covered the hotel arrival problem, the different classes, taking the latest flight, sleeping on the plane. Don't be ashamed to buy over-the-counter sleep aids or a prescription sleep aid if you need it.

Yep, yep, yep. Because, you know, we're Americans, time is money. You want to make the most of your trip. You don't want to waste any time sleeping that you don't need to. I will say this, though, pro tip. If it is a sleep that you have never taken before, do not take it for the first time on the airplane. Try it out when you're in a home. Only what your body knows. Like, you do not want to have a medical emergency mid-flight.

Not speaking from experience, but just saying, like, just be careful. Oh, let's see. And be careful mixing it with alcohol at a high altitude as well. Yeah. Like, when I was very, very, very. very young. I wouldn't recommend an amian and some vodka. I made that mistake. I had a sleeping pill, and I had a drink on the plane, and I was flying from Paris. And I remember taking off in Paris. And then I was woken up.

We had landed in Chicago. And that was for, like, I was very, very, not very, very young. I was an adult, but I had no idea that learning experience. Don't do that. Travel accessories. Uh, to help make a flight better. Yeah. Eye mask. I mask. I mean, they'll give you one, but you might want to buy your own. Yeah, I mean, or whatever, I mean, whatever works for you. Um, noise cancelling headphones. That's a big e.

Yeah. Uh, a neck pillow. Yeah. So, okay. I used to see the folks with the neck pillow in the airport. And number one, it used to gross me out because I'm like, that thing went through the x-ray machine. It's been sitting on surfaces. and now you're going to put your face on it. But we had a flight within the past five years where we flew trains atlantically overnight, took the last flight, and we were sleeping, we were in coach, we were comfortable enough, and we hit turbulence in, and I don't, like, I was sleeping and I was sleeping with my head on my shoulder, and I just remember the feeling of, like, being lifted out of the sea, like a feeling of weightlessness, and I was asleep.

So I wasn't, like, conscious of what was going on. And my neck shot back, and I ended up with whiplash. I mean, like, it was really bad. Like, I had to see the doctor when I got back to the States, and it was just, and I was in pain the whole trip. It was awful. So now. Well, yeah. Neck pillows. Yes. Okay. Now I get it. I'm sorry for being smug and judgmentful. Now I get it.

So invest in a good neck pillow. I will say this, though. I will probably put my neck pillow in my carry-on, because, like, the thought of it touching all the surfaces is, like, it really grosses me out. But a good neck pillow. Now I know, like, now I will probably never take an overnight transatlantic flight without one. Because I'm probably prone to re-injure what I had originally injured, but now I know. Yeah. That was when we went to Ireland, wasn't it?

Yeah. Yeah, that was for work. Yeah. Yeah, noise cancelling headphones. Where are you on the AirPods versus... What were the ear headphones debate? I like AirPods. I will say this. This is the one thing I will say about it. I have flown enough with both. I find for me to lean against something more comfortably, AirPods work. I have also seen airplanes literally being ripped apart when one tumbles out of your ear because your ear can now shrinks and expands as you come up and down.

I still use it. I still prefer an AirPods, but that's just me. I think I'm more of an over-the-ear headphones guy. I like my bow's quiet comfort. But you have an issue, like... Sometimes I'll get a headache. Well, and then it makes you a little air-sick, and I have to wonder if it's the noise cancellation, like the way that that works for, like, I don't know. If you're looking for audio quality, I think it sounds better over the year.

Oh, yeah, you take those off and, like, you can hear the roar of the engines, and you're like, oh, my gosh, it's so good. The noise cancelling on AirPods isn't great. It's just okay. Actually, it's not too bad. I mean, it still definitely reduces the noise. Ours are a few generations that might be better now. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. And there's so many different makers too now these days. So what were we were we talking about?

Gadgets are tips for being comfortable? Gadgets for comfort. So I also advocate bringing your own entertainment. So, and this is more for going back for the return flight, which is usually in the daytime. I pack my iPad full of TV shows to watch in movies because. You can never really rely on the in-flight entertainment to either a work or have something you really want to watch. Well, and I think it's funny from when we started traveling, there was no in-seat in-flight entertainment where the screens in front and the seat behind you.

And now, and now, like, they got bigger and now they're starting to take them out again because people prefer their own device. Their own device. And also, you don't need to use their in-flight Wi-Fi because you've got everything on your device already. And I like to have the screen because I like to watch the map. While you're supposed to be sleeping. So I'll have the iPad below the map. Right. It's like, hey, babe, babe, babe, babe, babe, we crossed Iceland.

And I'm like, what? That's great. Let me sleep. But you know one that I, that everybody loves and I can't quite, I want to, but a water bottle, like a resellable water bottle where you dump it out for security and then you like refill at the, and then you have. the water on the flight, I've tried to do that several times, and I just... I don't know, I just carry a water bottle. I bought it to spend $8 on in the airport.

You know, maybe it's like a plastics thing, but every airport water fountain I've ever used, I've been like, oh, I'm good, but... Well, and it's just another thing to carry. I don't mind. I don't mind, like, reducing my footprint, but the water has got to be like... So the next tip is snacks. So... Are we going to talk about dressing for comfort? Is that on our list? That was the next one. Okay, sorry, I don't want to get...

So bringing snacks. So I'm a very picky eater, as she will attest. That's an understatement. And you are an extremely picky eater. I've gotten better over the years. Yes, yes. But for most folks, it levels on extreme. And, and let's face it, and then you would probably even agree with me on this. Most airplane food is, is not good. Like, if you're riding in coach... Yeah, it's not good. And I don't, we're not, we're not talking about any particular airline or...

We're not talking about any routes. We're making a generalized statement. It can range from me to what is that? Yeah. So that's children's sick. Oh, John. No. Yeah, I mean, we have definitely been on some flights where you're like, is that food? Like, well, the main. It's usually the main. Whatever comes in the hot, like a hot, like in coach, at least, it usually comes in like a little hot foil. pocket kind of like reminiscent of a really small TV dinner, but usually the other things on the tray will be okay, like a little bit of salad or cheese or a little bit of dessert.

Sometimes the desserts, all right, but... And I don't know about you, but my, my appetite gets suppressed on a plane. I always, I don't get as hungry as I always think I'm going to be on a plane. And I'll pick up the food, but what my recommendation is to bring some snacks that you like and don't buy them in the airport because, like, you're going to overpay. Yeah. With the exception of a banana. Yeah. You always buy a banana.

Because you know why? Because I eat a banana every day. So when I get off the plane and I get there, having a banana is like a great way to, like, reset my body. Well, and a pro tip, if you have nausea, too, a banana is super high in potassium. This is, I learned from having horrible, horrible morning sickness. It's higher in potassium and can help settle the stomach and curb nausea. Well, I also recommend bringing fruit.

protein bars. Yeah. Because they're very filling. I can't remember the name of the ones I like. They have a peanut on the front of it. Yeah, they're really good. Is it like a peanut butter? There are enough calories that they can pass for a dinner or a breakfast and a crunch. So I always pick some up before we leave and just keep them in my bag in case that in case anything I eat is not edible.

I can just grab it, eat it, and be good. Well, and I think we've found what really works well, at least, you know, like it. I don't know. There's something that's different about a road trip. Like a road trip, it's fun to, like, get, sometimes get, like, some of the junk food and, like, because you're road trip and it's fun. An airplane is not the time to do that. So, like... You don't upset your stomach. Exactly.

So I try and... I'm kind of lame in that I try and bring, like, healthier things. Fruit, you have to buy in the airport. I think somebody said you can cut up an apple and bring an apple through. I've never, like, tried to do this. that. I usually bring, like, pre-packaged things. Remember if you're packing a snack, the liquid rule, so I know, like, Campbell's used to have those sippable soups, they might still make those. Like, you can't take that through, but...

And those rules will be changing soon. But a lot of, like, you know, dry cereal is great, crackers, cookies, you know, granola, those are great things. And we find that, um, not only for breakfast, or sorry, they feed you dinner, and then you sleep. And then before, right before you land in London, they'll usually feed you a, like, breakfast. So it might be a croissant or breakfast sandwich or a muffin or something like that. And yogurt, they almost always serve yogurt.

But it's nice to, like, honest to God, pop tarts. Like, I know they're junk food. It's a great calorie. But, you know, those are great for breakfast on the plane and a jam. Like, you're like, I'm starving and I don't know what, or whatever I've been serve for breakfast is really unappetizing. So think things like that, things that are shelf stable that you can bring through security. Next tip is clothing and comfort. I have so much to say about this.

Hold on. I will let you lead to your fashion knowledge. Oh, no. So I, we were just talking about this because, you know, I grew up, when I grew up, we didn't, we couldn't afford to fly. I went everywhere in the U.S. in the back of a car, and I'm very grateful for that, but we didn't fly. And so flying was something that was looked at as something very fancy. And, you know, back in the day, flying was very fancy.

Like, you dressed up to go on an airplane. And I've since been very fortunate to be able to go back and forth to England and travel for business and that sort of thing. And, you know, I've always not dressed up, but been very presentable on the plane that I could step off the plane and essentially start doing, I'm dressed for business, business casual. And I even remember our first flight. Like, I had on a suit jacket and a pair of jeans and a belt and a heeled boot.

And this was very of the time. But I remember being so incredibly uncomfortable. And, you know, I've always like, and I'm not making a judgment on anybody else. I'm talking about myself and what I prefer to wear out. It is very rare that I, I'm I am out in public in general in a pair of sweats unless I'm either working out or I've undergone a medical procedure. It's just not who I am. However, the flight that we took to Ireland, I knew it was going to be an overnight flight.

I knew we were flying coach. I knew I was going to be uncomfortable. So I did a little research and I found like a matching, like J. Crew made like a matching sweater set. And I put a button down under it. And I put a button down under it. And I paired it with a pair of really nice, flat, like, little white sneakers. Those are still very in at that time. And so I looked presentable. When I went, got off the plane and done business.

No, but had I had to need a business contact off the plane, I still would have been presentable enough in my comfortable kind of, I don't want to say it's a sweatsuit. I don't know what lounge suit. That I didn't look sloppy. You know, I took great care with my hair and my makeup to not look sloppy. I'm being very long-winded in saying that my attitude on this has changed quite a bit over my years of travel.

John mentioned we're traveling in October, and I'm already thinking, like, over, for the overnight portions of the flight. Like, I will probably do the same thing again because it was literally life-changing. Just being comfortable, being, you're going to be uncomfortable enough. Most folks, at least in a coach seat. they're small, you're upright, like, really upright most of the time. Thousands of people have sat in it, so it's not exactly the most soft surface in the world.

And we are both a little claustrophobic. And, you know, when you really get kind of packed into that plane, you're like, oh. So just being comfortable, not wearing things that are constricting that are tight, you know, like, I used to fly in a heel for work. Like, I don't, I don't even mess with that. And just, anyway, what do you? have to say about that. Yeah, I have always been the camp that you should look a little presentable on a flight because, you know, never know when you're going to meet somebody famous.

Well, and you still should look presentable. You can dress comfortably. And I'm, like, I'm the kind of guy that I won't leave the house in my pajamas or sweatpants. Like, I'm, and we're not judging other people. And I leave the house I get dressed. Yeah. But I, I, I'm definitely thinking about even how uncomfortable I am right now in my jeans sitting in this chair. I'm like, I don't think I want to sit every eight hours in these jeans on a plane.

I think I'm going to, I think I'm going to join team sweatpants on the flight this time in October. Well, it's not just team lounge. Yeah, loungeware. We're comfortable. Yeah. And yeah, you actually tried on some lounge wear this weekend. And, and, you know, I think. That looks very stylish because it was fancy loungewear. Well, but I think the key to that is, is that making sure it's clean, making sure that it's well-fitting. Like, still take, still take the time and the care for your makeup and your hair or your, you know, you're, like, it's not a slumber party, but.

And I think, um, one tip I have as well is to put a, like, a shirt, changing for a shirt in your back. That's a big one for you. And, because I get very hot very easily. And it's like, you don't want to be around me. So when I get my land- You're sweaty, Betty. When I land, I will change my shirt and freshen up in the airport bathroom before I have to, you know, meet British people.

And the folks of Britain. Thank you. Just go comfortable. Like, oh, and slip on shoes. Yeah, slip on shoes, definitely. Because, for one, you, you, you, that's what that's what we didn't talk about. Getting through security, if you got a belt, you got to take a belt off. If you've got shoes that tie, you got to untie them and tie that, like, so like, slip on shoes and no belt. Don't go through security barefoot. Oh, God, yes.

Oh, God, yes. I see it like all the time and I'm always like, who gross? Like, no, no, no. That's where, that's where, that's for, you know, it's for pandemic start movies is at the airport. Oh, my God. Yeah, we're not going to, I just can't even be in that space. Like, but, yeah, I mean, just, like, take a mental checklist before you, before you leave for the airport. Like, are you going to be quick in line or, you know, are you wearing a really cool, like, leather jacket that has, like, four.

buttons that all have to be undone because I promise you they're going to make you take your jacket off, right? Yeah. Oh, another thing, your carry-on. Well, that's actually the next topic. No! It's almost like you read these in advance. Oh, boy. Did not really, even though you sent them to me in advance. Yeah, so we are big advocates of carry-on-only travel. Yes. However. Where possible. Where possible now in October, because we're going to business conference that where I have to be in a suit for three days in a row, unfortunately, we're not going to be able to do carry-on-only trial.

We have to break our streak, which is like 10 trips of carrying-out-old-old-way. We've checked coming back, though. Yeah, well, because what we do, we'll get to that. Yeah. So, so care and only travel is, especially going, is the, like, the best way to do it. And, like, our logic comes from having had our bags lost a couple of times over the years. lost or searched or like... Nothing is worse than when you get there, and then you're already jet lag from the journey.

You're tired of sitting at the conveyor belt, and your bag, you watch all the bags come out and around. Like, you've been standing there for an hour, and you're like, oh, my God. Your bag doesn't appear, and then the conveyor belt stops because all the bags are off the plane, your bag's not there. And it's like 3 a.m. on your clock, and you've just taken, you know, you feel like you've been, like, jammed into a Pringles can coming over, and you're like, oh, and my bag's not here.

It's the worst, because then not only do you have to deal with the airport and the staff to find your bag, like, it's going to be a day or two before your bag turns up. If your bag turns up, a big innovation that we haven't talked about is putting an air tag in your bag, so you know airlines really don't like it. But then you know where your bag is. And, but nothing's worse having to leave the airport with nothing.

And then having to go back. buy clothes, buy toiletries, buy, like, and yeah, the airline, in theory, is supposed to reimburse you, but good luck. Well, good luck at, again, right? It's 6 a.m. you've landed, and I will say, I believe in treating all people with dignity and respect. And my very best at 3 a.m. on my clock and my bag's not here. No. But I will tell you, customer service in England, it's way different than customer service in the U.S.

I learned that one real fast. It's a lot younger, too. And so when we've switched to carry-out only, and I'm going to be real here, mostly this is a bigger thing for you, because you would pack a giant suitcase with multiple outfit combinations. But you know what, though? But once you saw the light switch to carry-out only, you're like, well, like, this is the only this is the only way I'm going to travel. Well, to your point, when we were very young.

You know, we would travel, like, and we'd say it, like, Easy Hotel. And when we were in college, and Easy Hotel is literally, like, if you're lucky, a 12-by-12 box. There's, like, a bed and a wet room. And it worked for us because we were students. We were traveling cheap, but I had this huge piece of luggage in the room. Like, we would literally have to be stepping over my luggage. And then... Getting it over, the cobbles is always fun.

Oh, yeah, that's a great time. And then, like, I think the last time, like, we really, like, we really, like, packed away was when we took the kids when they were toddlers. And that, we had so much luggage, because we were taking a six-month-old and a two-year-old over Christmas. So, you know, we had... Five weeks. Santa stuff and all, like, and I'm like, never, like, and we got a, we rented a, oh, like, an out of, like, an out of, like, an outy wagon, right?

And the bags wouldn't fit, and it was a wagon. And we had a stroller, and we had the car seat. It was just, I was like, never again, travel. As light as possible. Yeah, I think after that, well, two things happen. One, we stopped traveling with our kids to a lot to England. Yeah. And two, um, we switch to carry-out only if we could help it. So, yeah, carry-on only if you could help it. So women are a lot of carry-on and usually a briefcase and or a purse.

My pro tip for that is, is just make sure, like, do a test, like, at home before you leave, literally trying to, like, pack your bag, and then sit it on your lap and limit your, your, like, movement. Like, can you get your stuff out of your bag easily? If you can, great. If you can't, then that's not the, like, yeah. And also, don't, don't have to expand the expander in your luggage going. Yeah, that's a rookie mistake.

Yeah, because then you're not going to have any space for coming back. And that's where our next tip comes in. Love this one. We pack a collapsible duffel bag in the bag, and then what we'll do is that's for all the souvenirs or the clothes that. Dirty clothes a lot of times. Dirty clothes. And on the way home, we'll check that bag. And we don't care if it gets lost. I mean, we care, but if it gets lost, we're not going to lose anything that we're going to miss.

Yeah, we're coming home to where the rest of our wardrobe in between the trees are. So anyway, yeah, I do the duffel bag trick. That's, they've done so many times. Yeah, if you have to check a bag, and then check it on the way home. And, worst case scenario, if you're packing and you're like, you're really in trouble, Tesco, not Tesco, is it Tesco where we went? And they always have cheap suitcases or cheap double bags?

Yeah, any department store or a little or, yeah, do, what's it called? It's a service merchandise equivalent. Oh, I know. It's not ASDA. That's Walmart. No, it's, uh, I'm, thank you. This keeps me, but that has come in really handy because it's like, they get a suitcase for 20 quid and then you can load it up. Or you can do Amazon and have it delivered to your, your hotel. And another thing is, um, I buy a lot of books.

Oh, it's a good tip. When we travel. And so, um, what I'll do is most of the bookstores that we, the big bookstores will ship your books back to the U.S. Yep. So because like, I have no self-control. I'll go to hatchards and buy like 20 books and they will mail them for me for a small fee. Well, and what's lovely about that is, we don't have to carry them on the plane. But even better, because it's overweight.

You get home and then you settle back in and then before you know it, you get this lovely care package. From yourself, from back in time. Yeah. It's a nice little treat. Yeah. And I know one thing we even did once, we got a prepaid DHL box from the Royal Mail. post office. Where did we send back? And loaded it up with stuff and mailed the box with our souvenirs and the gifts that were given to us by our friends.

Oh, that was the Christmas trip. Yeah. And we just put it through in the box. Because it was tracked and that kind of thing. It's really affordable. It was like 50 pounds to ship it back to the U.S. and then we didn't have to worry about it. Well, and because we had two kids, like the amount of luggage we had was stupid, like. Yeah. But pro tip, if you can go carry on only, it's worth it.

You know, the British toiletries that you. you have to buy when you go, like, they're great quality. Yeah, that's a lot of people say, well, what about all my, all my, all my, all my, all my products that need for my personal care? Well, there's a whole island who does grooming on their own. Yeah, they do grooming too. They have, they have, they have, they have, they have drugstores that have almost the equivalent of everything, if not the same things that you would have back home and that you're better off just spending 20 quid to pick it up there.

Right, rather than having to, having to get little bottles and put, all the stuff in the right-sized bottles and pack them into your carry-on. Get it there. It'll be fine. Throw tip, though, too. We get the fun experience of going into the store and figuring it out. If you've not traveled transatlantically, and you are going to check a bag, and you are going to put your toiletries, like, full-size or whatever. They have to be in the carry-carry-on thing so that you can show them.

No, not for your carry-on. If you're going to put the full-size stuff in your, like, suitcase that you're going to check, wrap it in plastic. Put it in, like, double plastic, like, put it in a, or, like, a beeswax bag or something to collect, if, if, because with the pressure of the airplane, I have, I have learned that lesson painfully, conditioner does stain, and everything is greasy and gross. Like, I have been there and done that.

So the final tip, I would say, is to remember that the flight is temporary. this is not your permanent state. It will end. Yeah. And then you'll be in England. So whether you're flying from L.A., and it's going to be almost 12 hours, or you're flying from New York, it's going to be five hours. If you're flying from Chicago, it's going to be seven hours. Time passes quickly, and you're going at 600 miles an hour. The flight is going to end eventually.

And that's very important to remember. The older I get, the more claustrophobic I get. Same. And I get very, like, not quite panic attacky on planes, but, like, I get very tight. I get very, like... Anxious. I get very anxious. And you can tell, like, that's why I start sweating. Like, it's not fun. And that's why I have to sit on the aisle. That's why I before wide-body planes where there's more space. Like, it's, like, and I just have to remember, and that's you to tell yourself that this flight is going to end in a few hours.

And then it'll be in England. Well, and we've... been on some flights that we've had really great flights, too, because I feel like all we're really talking about is kind of the bad and the ugly. We've been on really amazing flights, too, where it was smooth sailing the whole way. We've been very lucky, like, nobody's in the seat next to us, or, you know, we've been upgraded or that kind of thing. But, you know, we've also been on some flights that have just been hellacious.

Like, I mean... Like when the bathroom breaks. Oh. My God. That was... We were literally on a flight once. True story, because this is what people really do when in here, is kind of the ugliness. And we will not share the name of the carrier. We were on the flight and the toilet not only broke, but backed up and leaked down the aisle. And we were the seat in front of the bathroom. The smell. The smell was...

I mean, and what are you going to do? There was nowhere to move us. They could not move us. The plane was full. I mean, it was a situation. I think they, I think the airline actually did credit us because it was so, like, like 20 years ago. I, I would have to be seriously medicated to handle that now, but that's kind of my own personal issue. Like, I, like, we've been on flights, too, like, where...

The inflate entertainment was broken the entire nine hours we were on the airplane. Yeah, we've done that. So if you didn't have an iPad or a book, you were staring. into space. Literally. We also, do you remember the flight, we had the guy in front of us? Because you, if you come in very early to Heathrow, you kind of like do these loop-de-loops and as you get in line. And the guy in front of us was really air-sick.

And he couldn't help it. And I mean, God, I was, like, green behind the gills. Watching this, I get air, like, it was a really bad situation, really bad. And I was just like, like, like, let me off this plane if I have to land it myself, like, let me off this plane. Like, I could not, like, and it's not, it's not, it's, I'm not, like, being that entitled American woman, but it literally, I was panicking, like, oh, my God, like, you know, we've, we've also been on really bumpy flights, too.

Um, and that's something that we probably should mention about transatlantic flights is, is, is, they're saying that turbulence has gotten worse, and it, or is continuing to get worse. Yeah, because of climate change. So whether you, like, I guess for, anyway, keep your seatbelt on, they really do mean it, like, the, the trip to Ireland that we went on, had I not been in my seatbelt, I was very lucky that I, that that was the worst of my injury.

Like, there were other people on the plane that were, that bumped their heads and, like, you know, nobody, like, nobody sought medical attention on the tarmac, but, you know, people were knocked around a little bit. And so, you know, really do wear your seatbelt and, and, you know, and I think the biggest thing, like, if I leave with, leave our audience with one piece of advice, it is be polite to the flight crew. Like, they're stuck on the plane, too.

Yes, it's their job, but they are not, yes, and yes, they are there to serve you, but they are not servants, servants. Like, be kind, be respectful. If you can get up and go to the galley and get up and go to the galley and get. a glass of water. You know, you don't need to call them every 20 minutes. It's, it's a surefire way to have a bad flight, I would argue. If you mistreat the flight staff, now everybody on the plane knows that you're pain in the butt, and you're not going to have a great time.

Yeah, you don't want to end up one of those people duct taped at their seat as a landing. Oh, man. Um, I'll say, and one final thing is, um, this whole conversation has been focused on going over. Um, let's let's talk real quick about coming back from England because that's it's a much different flying experience because oh yeah for several reasons one the flight is longer because you're going against the gulf stream so like our flight to chicago will usually be nine or ten hours and i think you could say the same like if you're flying out of paris or you're flying out of germany yeah it's a couple more hours it just it takes longer because of the wind and and everything um so it takes longer and because they have to position those planes to do the overnight flights from the u.s they're leaving Europe in the in the afternoon late afternoon usually the morning of the afternoon so like our our flight coming home in october will be at 345 in the afternoon so like it's a daytime flight and i applaud people who can manage to sleep on a daytime flight at three o'clock in the afternoon you do you but that's the flight for me those are the kind of flights where it's more it's most important to bring things entertain yourself so yeah load that iPad up bring bring bring some of the books you bought while you were traveling um have music queued up on your phone like or what plan to watch at least three or four movies on the infight entertainment system to be on where you're going because you're going to be you're there for a while and it feels longer it does like because the plane has to go slower so you feel like you're going slower well and then usually by the time you know we're like halfway across the atlantic at least for me i'm like okay i'm ready to be off the plane now i would like to get home and that's why that's why snacks are important too yeah definitely um because because going you have that adrenaline of excitement of going that you're like everything that's you i'm just like everything kind of just fades away and you're not that hungry you're just so excited to be going going home you're like i'm depressed that i had to leave england so now i have to sit here for nine hours i'm not happy so hope said your happiness i bring my knitting yeah you knit i knit or i'll read i'll watch um a mini series if you want to binge a mini series that's a great time that's a great time to binge a mini series and what's important for a daytime flight and i know we're going to get in the comments it's important on every flight um get up and walk around yeah do yourself a favor especially on a daytime flight stretch your legs you know be respectful don't be where you're not supposed to be on the plane but stretch your legs a little bit every couple of i have to because in a daytime flight it's the weirdest thing in a daytime flight i swell in a nighttime flight i swell a little bit but not as bad so and if you're gonna be focusing on your entertainment be sure to bring a battery bank because what will happen is like me you'll watch nine out of ten episodes of the expanse one one time and get all away and have enough time on your flight to watch the final episode you're like what crossing nova scotia and the ip yeah but the ipad or the computer just goes dead and and then you have to because it's gonna be a bit before you can watch it because you gotta get home and you gotta love your family and visit with them it's gonna be a while before you can watch that episode so bring that battery bank oh that's sad so i will say to keep be mindful of the entertainment thing that you watch um yeah don't watch eyes white shut on a plane i know it's a christmas movie but you know yeah i once i was once on a flight and i saw somebody watching the wolf of wall street on an airplane oh my god it's a great movie it's it's a great movie yeah is it appropriate to watch in an airplane when you have children standing or sitting behind you no probably not well not probably not as a mom no but just be mindful that others people can see your screen i yeah the stories the stories i will not share those stories but the stories and then you also have the fun thing of you of of of trying to sink your screen to your traveling partner's screen so you can watch the same thing we'll share an air pod yeah so you watch the same thing um because you got to pass the time somehow exactly exactly so well i think we will wrap it up there because i think we covered everything that was on the outline way to go us minder at the end here to please join the friends of Anglotopia club and listen to us two days before everybody else support great writing about british travel and and and join a group of dedicated people who love all things british so and with that we will end the discussion there bye